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From Lugano to La Jolla....what a remarkable amalgam of ideas, insights, and perspectives. Welcome to this site. Mr. Izsa (TASIS) and Mrs. Shaul (LJCDS) invite you to join us in our conversations about the history and the realities of America's history and culture--from a decidedly international perspective.

Each month a new series of questions will be posted here by Mr. Izsa and Mrs. Shaul. Please click on the blog posts and write in your comments for the questions below, per your teacher's instructions.

Please make certain that entries are thoughtfully written (check for typos and grammatical faux pas), as erudite as you can make them, and appropriately worded for a school-related activity (note: students from other parts of the world may not share your same philosophies or your same sense of humor, so please be mindful of our differences).

With every blog session assigned, one or two can be direct responses to the questions, but at least one MUST respond directly to the students who have already written posts, answering one thread per question (more is welcome, this is the minimum requirement).Be specific. Explain why you might agree or disagree with their (his/her) opinions. Feel free to "debate" or "discuss" with your international counterpart. Make sure we can identify you with your name so you can receive credit for your contributions.


Sunday, March 8, 2015

March Question #2

2) ISIS (the Islamic State) is a fundamentalist Islamic organization that is making headlines for its "ruthless" treatment of those with alternative beliefs.   In their minds however, they are following acceptable cultural/religious practices.  Contrast this to the Ku Klux Klan of the late 19th century and early 20th century and its "ruthless" attacks on African-Americans.   Should there be limits on "free speech" and "freedom of religion" when it leads to fatal consequences?   To what point should such groups be allowed to hold and express their beliefs?

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  1. It is true that both the ISIS (the Islamic State) organization and that the Ku Klux Klan think in their minds they are following acceptable and obligate cultural and religious practices, but they went way too far. There is should be limits on free speech and freedom of religion to the only purpose of cutting down any violent or discriminating actions. Both the two organizations were following their believes, but there should be any violent action to any other person that doesn't follow your religion. There must so be an adequate restriction of power and freedom to this kind of clans.

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  2. I believe that the freedom of expression should always be respected until it stomps on others’ freedom. This is where the similarities between the Klu Klux Klan and ISIS begin to ravel together for one fundamental reason: They have a terrible and certainly incurable case of megalomania. The only thing that makes their terrorist acts “socially acceptable” is that they are (and were) so violent that opposers die. There most definitely should be limits on “free speech” and “freedom of religion” in the sense that it is your right, until you trespass on others’ rights.

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  3. A group can hold their beliefs if they are not related to other groups with different beliefs. ISIS can't intervene the people's natural rights because they think it is a right thing to do. They must understand that their actions can bring suffering to people just because they believe in a different God. Both KKK and ISIS do their actions, but do not understand that they are considered terrorism and are socially unacceptable.

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  4. In my opinion, there should be limit on "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of religion" because will all born free and no one have the right to hurt as. By using those two phrase people will get hurt and die. If those both organizations wants that people respect them. First of all, they should respect others; otherwise people will stand against them. For example, the "Freedom of Speech" led a war in some countries. "Freedom of Speech", some people do not the meaning of this phrase because if you ask them, they just say that it means "we can say anything we want" because we have the freedom, and this how some people forget about their limits like, the attacked in France. Because the person who made the news by using his "freedom of Speech" and insult a religion, other people died in the attack. Did anyone asks him WHY? No, because he had a reason, and his reason was "Freedom of Speech" he could say anything he wants. The "Freedom of Speech" means everyone should educate themselves to their limits because there is always limit for everything. In "Freedom of Religion", I think everyone have the right to chose any religion they want, but till it will not hurt anyone.

    Sofiana Safi

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    1. This is a very tricky subject to handle properly. I believe that any malicious words and actions are wrong and I wish they did not exist in our world, but they do. All over the world hatred of difference exists and people use hurtful words and actions to show their beliefs. I think there is beauty and horror in all religion. Everything in this world can be taken to an extreme and that is what we are shown in the media, and the news and that is what intrigues us humans. People have the right to their own beliefs and choices but violence and hatred is never right or just.

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  5. Contrasting the KKK with Isis we can say that if the KKK wouldn't have been stopped then they would probably have ended up being at the time what Isis is today. We can also compare Isis to Hitler who also thought that what he was doing would greatly benefit their country as the Isis thinks about their religion. I think that freedom of speech and of religion is unlimited to you as long as you don't interfere with other people's freedom. Also I think that violence is never justified because it is unacceptable to take other people's lives.

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  6. I think both of them should face serious consequences. These two organizations are abusing the rights of freedom of speech and freedom of practice religion. ISIS is just make the use of Islam to kill people to do whatever they want, real devout Muslims won't randomly kill anyone. Also, ISIS cause people to be afraid of Muslims and misunderstood. There are some people think all the Muslims are like ISIS, however, that is absolutely not true. On the other hand, KKK was a worse case because it didn't only attack African-Americans, but also whites from the North, Asian immigrants, and Catholics. They attacked whoever against them, they were extreme racists. I think people should know that everyone in the world deserve to have freedom of speech and rights to practice their religion as long as they do not hurt another person mentally or physically.

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  7. There shouldn’t be limits on freedom of speech, or religion. However, there should be some restrictions, when it leads to violence. Groups like Ku Klux Klan “punished” so many people, who did not deserve a punishment. These groups should not be violent toward other people, who do not think the same about their beliefs or interfere with their religion. Such groups should be allowed to express their beliefs as long as it does not directly affects other people, or starts violence.

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  8. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are two extremly important values and are important to the peoples freedom. However, although people should be able to believe in what they wish, their belief should not impede on other people. For example, it is fine to set up a church anywhere and worshiping whatever but you should not punish people for not attending something they do not believe in because that would interfere with someone else's freedom of religion and freedom of belief.

    Adam Osgood

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  9. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are two extremly important values and are important to the peoples freedom. However, although people should be able to believe in what they wish, their belief should not impede on other people. For example, it is fine to set up a church anywhere and worshiping whatever but you should not punish people for not attending something they do not believe in because that would interfere with someone else's freedom of religion and freedom of belief.

    Adam Osgood

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  10. I personally believe that any belief that preaches intolerance should be banished. Essentially a person has the right to do whatever they want until it comes in conflict with another persons freedoms. No religion should be forced on another person. But then it becomes a bit tricky when you have "religions" like Scientology which sort of brainwashes people who join it, but the tricky part is that the people who joined it were of their own free will. I strongly recommend people watch the movie "American History X" to further understand why any religion or belief that has some kind of intolerance should be banned. Which sets up for this perfectly ironic situation where society as a whole must act with intolerance towards those who are intolerant.

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    1. I completely agree with what you have stated here. Though when you say the religions that preach intolerance should be banished it would pretty much include all religions. Every religion has something that involves intolerance which blows my mind. (ex: gays) As you have pointed out here, "Scientology" brainwashes people. However, once again that could be said about all religions. (ex: need for church and donations) People generally like to be lead and part of a big group. Therefore, all there needs to be is a group like ISIS to get people brainwashed and crazy. Intolerance is a terrible thing that needs to be stopped. But that begs the question of how does one change intolerance? I believe the change is occurring as we speak however, it will take a long time for people's intolerant ideas to change. If religion is at the center of this intolerance as it appears to be, shouldn't religion be banned?

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  11. I believe that you should express your beliefs, but everything has a limit. You should have the freedom to express what you feel meanwhile you aren't taking anybody else's freedom ways from them. It is ok to share what you agree or disagree with the opinion that other people have, but you should not hurt them just because you do not agree with them. In many cases, there will be people with different beliefs and opinion than yours, so in this case you should express what you think but also try to avoid not to offend anyone and to avoid not getting into problems.

    -Isabella Coen

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